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Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.25 07:13:00 - [1] Don't presume to tell people how to run their business, Ricdic, or assume that you speak with any authority on this matter. You'd be best off focusing your attentions on your little bank than anywhere else. 800mm Artillery II BPO Auction Ask me about Secured ISK Loans.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.25 08:05:00 - [2] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Ray McCormack Don't presume to tell people how to run their business, Ricdic, or assume that you speak with any authority on this matter. You'd be best off focusing your attentions on your little bank than anywhere else. Completely irrelevant details to what I'm saying. I'm not going to be drawn into an argument. My advice to you is to mind your own business. None of the points you mention are entirely relevant to your argument. They indicate no unusual trend that you are so hoping to highlight. If you want to prove a point, show us how it's done with your own ventures, not by pointing out imaginary faults in others. 800mm Artillery II BPO Auction Ask me about Secured ISK Loans.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.25 15:52:00 - [3] Originally by: 34534bobalt3244 So Fin-U and EMFI are paying no more dividends and will soon be worthless? No. And post with your main. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.25 18:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Shadarle Ricdic is trying to help the community with this post No he's not. He should have taken his issues straight to the source and dealt with them there. He is just looking to foment a bit of drama as can be seen by his reserved-for-flames post. There is nothing well intentioned about this post. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.25 19:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Shadarle No, that's how you took it. You took this as a personal challenge when it absolutely wasn't. In fact, I didn't even really focus too heavily on the examples he listed other than to notice that several major corps were not reporting very well. If you take this is a direct attack on you or the other people listed then you'd be admitting that you have all done something worthy of being attacked on. You aren't defending yourself, instead you're attacking the person who brought it up. I'm guessing that is because there is nothing you can say to defend yourself as what he said is correct. But again, this is not about your personal business or anyone elses... it's about the entire IPO market and a bad trend that is coming about. I am not taking this personally, because it is not about me. I am not defending myself, because I was not accused of anything. I am however attacking Ricdic for the way in which he went about this. He seems to think he is an authoritative commentator on every subject that crops up in this forum. He is not, and my advice to him is to concentrate on his own interests rather than question the operations of others. If he had his heart in the right place he would've approached each of the problems individually (as I have done in the past). His first reply speaks volumes of his intentions. He knew what the reaction to his post would be, yet he went ahead with it anyway. That means he was happy with the drama it would foster. That is bad communicating, that is bad business practise. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.25 19:05:00 - [6] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic No, the problem is that you guys are focusing too much on the (examples) that I provided. Which are either outdated, incorrect, or just bad examples. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.25 19:11:00 - [7] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic No, the problem is that you guys are focusing too much on the (examples) that I provided. So you expect to label people as examples of what is 'bad' with the communication in the old guard IPOs and expect them not to defend themselves? What rose-tinted glasses are you looking at the world through? Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.25 19:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Shadarle With all the posts of the "old guard" I have not seen a single one who agrees that investors should be given more information. My actions speak for that. Nor do I even disagree with the overall point that was trying to be raised. I disagree with how it was raised, the examples used, and the prima donna role played by Ricdic. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.25 20:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Shadarle If they wish to get money from me they will have to pledge to give at least 3 updates a month of some sort. If you're looking for information from a public ISK holder, just convo them. That's what I did with ISSO and the forum drama that surrounded them. I was happy with the replies I received and invested 20b into them. Posting in a public forum is not always the smartest move, your every word is open to interpretation and over-analysis. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.25 20:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Shadarle See, this is the way lots of the old guard have begun to think. It's become an insider game. They all communicate in game and trade messages... Yes, because not everyone else can do that? So it's an insider's game now because we communicate in game. Originally by: Shadarle If every single shareholder messaged the IPO holders asking for updates it would be crazy to try to reply to it all. Try me. In my time working for the BMBE I have received little communication from investors, if at all, via eve-mail or in-game conversation. Even when I asked for investor input regarding the Skiff BPOs I still had no contact apart from low buyout offers. I provide as much information in my report's as shareholders have requested. If they want more, they can request more (as has been done in the past) or speak to me in person. Originally by: Shadarle But if I don't think someone is providing much information currently then I'd expect they probably still won't in future ventures. As above this is not the case. The BMBE has specifically included more information in its reports at the request of shareholders. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.26 12:23:00 - [11] I'm getting a little tired of you EBANK lot telling everyone how they should be running their corporations. While there may be some validity to your arguments, I just find it extremely arrogant and patronising. You have your own business to run, run it. Don't imagine that you have the respect or authority within the community to presume to tell others how to run theirs. I am not arguing against people establishing guidelines for best practises, I am arguing against you guys feeling you have any authority to establish them and expect other business owners to follow them. So much arrogance. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.26 12:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Shar Tegral So, please sir, get a grip.[/justify] That was in no way directed at you, Shar. I apologise if it came across as that, I have nothing but respect for your views. And no where do I see you telling someone how to run their business. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.26 12:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Shar Tegral I agree that Ricdic "loaded" the first post. I doubt if it was intended to be flamebait. I don't need to guess this either. He openly confessed that he added some "controversy" for the purpose of stimulating discussion instead of just a ne'er ending series of "I agrees". Case in point. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.26 13:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Shar Tegral 1 - Do you see the need for improvement in BMBE? I will report as much as shareholders request, within reason. If they want more information in reports they need simply post and we will either include it or argue against it (as has been done before). And they can of course contact me in-game at any time, or even via email (which has been included in my in-game biography for well over a year). The BMBE incident mentioned is over a year old, and was outed almost six months ago, and has no bearing on any alarming new trends within the business community as Ricdic would put it. Originally by: Shar Tegral 2 - Do you see similar needs in the community? I would not presume to tell someone else how to run their business. But I will respond with my opinion to any post they make that I fell is incorrect. It's not my place to argue for the other topics raised in the OP. The CEOs of the respective corporations can do that should they so wish. Ionia has. And as was mentioned in one of her posts Ricdic was aware that an announcement was forthcoming regarding an expansion, but he still chose to make this post. Originally by: Shar Tegral 3 - Do you have any opinions not yet touched upon regarding the financial community such as it is? I have many, but I either keep them to myself (and my circle of trust) or address them with the parties concerned. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.26 15:26:00 - [15] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic So, keep quoting the parts of my statements that you can attack me with, and keep ignoring the fundamentals that go well beyond your little world. The fundamentals have been diluted by your intentions and methods. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.26 15:30:00 - [16] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Take it as you will, keep flaming me (Ray) all you want if you feel it strengthens your case, or you can get past your ego and look at the general market. I do not care about my ego, nor am I defending myself, and I have stated this several times before already. I care about your intentions behind this post (which is blatant flamebait, you admit as much youself, and third parties have confirmed it) and the methods with which you went about it. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.

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